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hymnsinger

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Should There Be Punishment for abortions?
« on: February 28, 2009, 01:57:26 PM »
I just posted a blog on punishment. To view, [a href="http://www.faithalone.info/blog/?p=44"]click BLOG[/a] and comment here.

Someone asked me what punishment do I believe in.

I told them I don't believe in man's law, but obey it because the Bible tells me to. (Rom 13:1-5)

The laws were right originally in the democratic countries as they were based on God's law.

Man changed laws to more reflect our moral degradation and allowed things that are clearly understood by Christians to be against God's will.

To assign punishment would necessitate me to say I wanted the law changed. NO, I want man to stop dicking with the law and leave it the way it was originally. The original laws were based on Biblical values. Yes, we had the death penalty and killed off a few innocent people because the police and the judges erred. No, I don't approve of the death penalty unless there is indisputable evidence. (evidence is based on FACTS) (psalm 79:11)

We change because we think that progression requires change. OK, I believe that, but that should not require a change in moral values. We can achieve the same level of competitiveness without compromising our ethical standards. (Bribes in government, drugs in sports, espionage in industry, slave labor for cost reduction)

If you ask me why I speak out against abortions I would say it is not to change laws but to inform would be mothers that they are pregnant because God ordained (allowed) it even if they are poor and/or single. [a href="http://www.faithalone.info/blog/?p=17] See my blog[/a]

What punishment? Again I say that is not up to me but the lawmakers. Previously the abortionist was also punished for carrying out the would-be-mothers wishes.

I would prefer to see everyone become believers of Christ and just do what is legal and not change laws to make the illegal legal. Don't call evil good and good evil. (Isa 5:20) Isaiah in verses 20 and 21 paints the perfect picture of the "modern morality" with its glossing over of evil, and its re-dressing of wickedness to give it the appearance of righteousness. This insensitivity to moral decay is the sign of deepest corruption.

Am I shirking? Possibly, but, I am re-iterating that I don't believe in man's laws that are contrary to God's law and am only here to inform and advise but not impose punishment or be the judge. See James 4:11,12

It is easier to comment for discussion on a forum.

My final word is "I would that all people do what is right in God's sight as I am neither lawmaker nor judge"

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smiley4jc

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Re: Should There Be Punishment for abortions?
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2009, 05:08:09 AM »
When you ask, "Should there be punishment for abortions?" are you talking about just those who perform abortions or just the mothers or everyone involved?

Since we are not having a face to face conversation....I'm not going to wait for your answer and go ahead with my thoughts.

My experience tells me that at some point in time, either right away or somewhere down the road, the mother is punished by the memory of her deed.  Actually, this is something that is quite difficult to get around and takes a lot of God telling you that He really loves you.  When you do get on the other side of this issue in your life, you have a deeper understanding of just how much God does, in fact, love you.  I cannot believe that there is even one woman who, at least to some degree, doesn't at some time feel the guilt associated with taking the life of her baby.  I do know that scripture tells us that there are those who have their conscience seared but I believe, in this case, that would come after struggling with the guilt totally on their own, coming to a place where they just put it out of their mind and gloss over it.  That woman would have to sear her own conscience to keep from experiencing the 'natural' guilt.

I believe the same forgiveness afforded women who choose to have an abortion is available to those who perform abortions or are associated with the procedure in any way...right down to the receptionist behind the front desk.  But, I feel they have a greater responsibility because they choose to make this a lifestyle.  An informed lifestyle.  Not to make excuses or justify a woman's decision to end the life of her baby, but she is usually at a vulnerable place in her life, which therefore leads her to the conclusion that she has no other choice.  This is a lie from the pits of hell, but, she believes it, nonetheless.  The dr's, nurses, assistants, receptionists, etc, make a choice from an informed and so-called educated frame of mind to carry out these procedures 5 days a week...and they profit from it.  Being informed and in a supposedly better frame of mind, I believe, makes them more responsible for their actions and for influencing those who are not in a stable mindset.

Now...how should those "enablers" be punished?  That is something I've not given much thought to.  To be punished on this earthly plane would mean the law would have to be changed.  I do pray for that to happen.  But, what would our lawmakers come up with?  For those in "the business", I believe revoking medical licenses, banned from working in the medical industry, permanent record.  For the women....hmmm...wow...that's a tough one.  You have someone already in a "weird" state of mind.  What would you do to that person?  I do believe this is something I must chew on for awhile before making an answer.  I'll get back to you...........................

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Re: Should There Be Punishment for abortions?
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2009, 08:58:28 PM »
No, I am talking about being at an anti-abortion rally or just debating the pros and cons of abortion and someone sticks a mike in your face while on camera and asks"if a woman has an abortion and it is illegal, what should her punishment be?"

Say if you are talking over the backyard fence and the subject comes up and you are asked if abortion should be legal or not.

If your response is that abortions should be illegal (and it should be) because you are terminating a life preordained by God.

They then ask you what should the punishment be. How would you answer that question?

If it is illegal, is it then murder? If so what should the punishment be? Who should be punished both the would-be-mother, or the abortionist, or both?

Here in Canada we awarded the "Order of Canada" medal to Dr. Henry Morgenthaler, an abortionist.

It is just a question asked [a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk6t_tdOkwo"] HERE on YouTube[/a] and I think it is a legitimate question that we really should be prepared for.

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Re: Should There Be Punishment for abortions?
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2009, 06:25:29 AM »
I understand the question you're asking now....but that's still a tough question, Bro.  I'm still gnawin' on this one and plan on asking a few people what they might think.

I love it when you make me think!
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